[MM-MALTS-L] CELP & seaweed

Thu Aug 30 12:31:47 CEST 2007

Hi Thomas

The idea behind CELP is that, allegedly, in the old days seaweed was
added to whisky on the islands for medicinal purposes. So CELP is said
to recreate that old tradition. If we take that tradition as a given,
then my problem is that it is strongly suggested that the plant in the
bottle is seaweed, whereas it actually has nothing to do with seaweed
whatsoever. So marketing trying to fool potential customers in thinking
that there really is seaweed in the bottle. No doubt tasting notes will
mention the saltyness, seaweedyness, etc. If there is a strong note of
seaweed, it surely can't come from the plant in the bottle!

slainte, Lex

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From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
[mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Schubert
Sent: 30 August 2007 11:22
To: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List
Subject: Re: [MM-MALTS-L] CELP & seaweed

Hi Lex,

I'm completely lost here.

What are the consequences of using waterweed rather than seaweed, and
why should one add either to the liquid in the first place?

Thanks,

Thomas

2007/8/30, Kraaijeveld A.R. <A.R.Kraaijeveld at soton.ac.uk>:

There are other species of seaweed, which are not solid sheets. So I
guess marketing was more important than honesty in this case. Suggest
the bottle contains seaweed and hope no one with a bit of botanical
knowledge will notice that it what's in the bottle has nothing to do 
with seaweed ....

slainte, Lex

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Fly, you greatest fool
Why can't you say what they want you to
Why can't you do what they taught you
And show what they wanted of you 

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Dr Alex R Kraaijeveld
School of Biological Sciences
University of Southampton
Bassett Crescent East
Southampton
SO16 7PX
United Kingdom
tel: (+44)-(0)23-80593436 
fax: (+44)-(0)23-80594459
http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php

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-----Original Message-----
From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
[mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net] On Behalf Of Michel van
Meersbergen
Sent: 30 August 2007 11:04 
To: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List
Subject: Re: [MM-MALTS-L] CELP & seaweed

Lex,

I'm affraid true celp wouldn't look as 'fancy' as whatever Elodea they
have
put into the bottle. Just a vegetal green and rubbery 'sheet'. Celp
leaves
can be quite big.

For sure Van Wees/Ultimate outweirded Blackadder when it comes to solid
additives. :-)

Michel 

P.s. No offense Rob!

op 30-08-2007 11:52 schreef Kraaijeveld A.R. op
A.R.Kraaijeveld at soton.ac.uk:

> Hi Michel
>
> Yes, 'waterpest' is exactly what I mean. I don't want to get into a 
> botanical discussion as to whether it's Elodea densa or Elodea
> canadensis, because the two species are not always easy to tell apart.
> What's important is that it appears that "Celp - The Seaweed 
Experience"
> does not contain any seaweed whatsoever.
>
>
> slainte, Lex
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Fly, you greatest fool
> Why can't you say what they want you to 
> Why can't you do what they taught you
> And show what they wanted of you
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Dr Alex R Kraaijeveld
> School of Biological Sciences
> University of Southampton 
> Bassett Crescent East
> Southampton
> SO16 7PX
> United Kingdom
> tel: (+44)-(0)23-80593436
> fax: (+44)-(0)23-80594459
> http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net 
> [mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net] On Behalf Of Michel van
> Meersbergen
> Sent: 30 August 2007 09:51
> To: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List 
> Subject: Re: [MM-MALTS-L] CELP & seaweed
>
> Hi Lex,
>
> I had the same reservations when I saw the bottle for the first time.
> It's
> certainly not celp inside the bottle, I have it as Elodea canadensis 
> ('waterpest' as we say in Holland).
>
> AFAIK all the celp bottles have waterweed inside them.
>
> Best!
>
> Michel
>
>
>
> op 30-08-2007 10:31 schreef Kraaijeveld A.R. op
> A.R.Kraaijeveld at soton.ac.uk:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>>
>>
>> I got a bottle of "CELP - Seaweed Experience" for a tasting I'll be 
>> running at the university later this year. For those who have never
>> heard of this one, it's either a young Lagavulin or a vatting of
>> Lagavulin and Laphroaig to which seaweed is added. So legally it's 
not
>> whisky anymore and the label doesn't claim that it is.
>>
>>
>>
>> The spirit is clearly greenish and there is a twig of a plant
floating
>> in the bottle (bottle won't be opened until the tasting). Now as soon

> as
>> I saw the twig, I got suspicious. To me, the plant which is floating
> in
>> the bottle looks remarkably like Common or Brazilian Waterweed, which
> is
>> a very common freshwater plant. Does not grow in the sea and is not a

>> seaweed by any stretch of the (botanical) imagination. I've attached
a
>> small picture of this plant and I'm asking those of you who have/had
a
>> bottle of CELP to tell me whether the plant inside the bottle looks 
> like
>> the plant in the picture. Just so I know whether all CELP bottles
>> contain waterweed rather than a seaweed or whether there ARE indeed
> CELP
>> bottles with (possible) seaweed. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> slainte, Lex
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
>>
>>
>> Fly, you greatest fool
>> Why can't you say what they want you to
>> Why can't you do what they taught you
>> And show what they wanted of you
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Alex R Kraaijeveld
>>
>> School of Biological Sciences
>>
>> University of Southampton
>>
>> Bassett Crescent East
>>
>> Southampton
>>
>> SO16 7PX
>>
>> United Kingdom
>>
>> tel: (+44)-(0)23-80593436
>>
>> fax: (+44)-(0)23-80594459 
>>
>> http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php
>> <http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php >
>>
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