[MM-MALTS-L] CELP & seaweed

Paul Dejong Paul_Dejong at telenet.be
Thu Aug 30 16:02:43 CEST 2007 

Hi Lex and all,

Celp indeed contains a fresh-water plant called elodia, but don¹t go down
the path of a ³conspiracy theory²
The whole thing started of more or less as a joke, and Van Wees had no idea
the thing would be so succesfull. The first batch was indeed labelled
³whisky², but the SWA had their say about it, and they had to change it into
scottish spirit.

Expect it to taste like a young islay should, an islay that is maybe a
little ³green² because of it¹s youth. ;-)
And I¹m sure they were not trying to hoodwink the customer! I think they saw
it as a fun way of riding the wave of the ³finishes²!

My 2p,
Paul


On 30-08-2007 15:16, "Joe Barry" <jrsbar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>  
> My take on the use of C instead of K is the marketing geniuses way of covering
> their backs in case they were really accused of trying to hoodwink the
> customers.
>  
> Joe
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> On 8/30/07, Davin de Kergommeaux <maltmaniacsdavin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes Lex,
>> 
>> I pushed the send button too quickly.  Obviously if you as a biologist
>> say it's elodia, it's elodia, but the pet store owners, who are not
>> scientists, also call it elodia so that's the common name as well,
>> which in my warped logic confirms that it's not seaweed and even the
>> man in the street knows it.
>> 
>> Davin
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/30/07, Kraaijeveld A.R. <A.R.Kraaijeveld at soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> > Hi Davin
>>> >
>>> > I don't know why they chose the spelling Celp over Kelp. And yes, that's
>>> > exactly the plant I mean.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > slainte, Lex
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >
>>> > Fly, you greatest fool
>>> > Why can't you say what they want you to
>>> > Why can't you do what they taught you
>>> > And show what they wanted of you
>>> >
>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >
>>> > Dr Alex R Kraaijeveld
>>> > School of Biological Sciences
>>> > University of Southampton
>>> > Bassett Crescent East
>>> > Southampton
>>> > SO16 7PX
>>> > United Kingdom
>>> > tel: (+44)-(0)23-80593436
>>> > fax: (+44)-(0)23-80594459
>>> > http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php
>>> <http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php>
>>> >
>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
>>> > [mailto: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
>>> <mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net> ] On Behalf Of Davin de Kergommeaux
>>> > Sent: 30 August 2007 12:18
>>> > To: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List
>>> > Subject: Re: [MM-MALTS-L] CELP & seaweed
>>> >
>>> > Hi Lex,
>>> >
>>> > Curious spelling.  Kelp, the seaweed, is spelled with a "K"
>>> >
>>> > The plant in the bottle looks quite like one you can buy at pet stores
>>> > for your fresh water aquarium - and yes, if memory serves, I think it
>>> > is called elodia.
>>> >
>>> > Davin
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 8/30/07, Kraaijeveld A.R. <A.R.Kraaijeveld at soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Hi Thomas
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > The idea behind CELP is that, allegedly, in the old days seaweed was
>>> > added
>>>> > > to whisky on the islands for medicinal purposes. So CELP is said to
>>> > recreate
>>>> > > that old tradition. If we take that tradition as a given, then my
>>> > problem is
>>>> > > that it is strongly suggested that the plant in the bottle is seaweed,
>>>> > > whereas it actually has nothing to do with seaweed whatsoever. So
>>> > marketing
>>>> > > trying to fool potential customers in thinking that there really is
>>> > seaweed
>>>> > > in the bottle. No doubt tasting notes will mention the saltyness,
>>>> > > seaweedyness, etc. If there is a strong note of seaweed, it surely
>>> > can't
>>>> > > come from the plant in the bottle!
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > slainte, Lex
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  Fly, you greatest fool
>>>> > >  Why can't you say what they want you to
>>>> > >  Why can't you do what they taught you
>>>> > >  And show what they wanted of you
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Dr Alex R Kraaijeveld
>>>> > >
>>>> > > School of Biological Sciences
>>>> > >
>>>> > > University of Southampton
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Bassett Crescent East
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Southampton
>>>> > >
>>>> > > SO16 7PX
>>>> > >
>>>> > > United Kingdom
>>>> > > 
>>>> > > tel: (+44)-(0)23-80593436
>>>> > >
>>>> > > fax: (+44)-(0)23-80594459
>>>> > >
>>>> > > http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  ________________________________
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
>>> > [mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net]
>>>> > > On Behalf Of Thomas Schubert
>>>> > >  Sent: 30 August 2007 11:22
>>>> > > 
>>>> > >  To: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List
>>>> > >  Subject: Re: [MM-MALTS-L] CELP & seaweed
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Hi Lex,
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  I'm completely lost here.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  What are the consequences of using waterweed rather than seaweed, and
>>> > why
>>>> > > should one add either to the liquid in the first place?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  Thanks,
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  Thomas
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2007/8/30, Kraaijeveld A.R. <A.R.Kraaijeveld at soton.ac.uk>:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > There are other species of seaweed, which are not solid sheets. So I
>>>> > >  guess marketing was more important than honesty in this case. Suggest
>>>> > >  the bottle contains seaweed and hope no one with a bit of botanical
>>>> > >  knowledge will notice that it what's in the bottle has nothing to do
>>>> > >  with seaweed ....
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  slainte, Lex
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  Fly, you greatest fool
>>>> > >  Why can't you say what they want you to
>>>> > >  Why can't you do what they taught you
>>>> > >  And show what they wanted of you
>>>> > > 
>>>> > >  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  Dr Alex R Kraaijeveld
>>>> > >  School of Biological Sciences
>>>> > >  University of Southampton
>>>> > >  Bassett Crescent East
>>>> > >  Southampton
>>>> > >  SO16 7PX
>>>> > >  United Kingdom
>>>> > >  tel: (+44)-(0)23-80593436
>>>> > >  fax: (+44)-(0)23-80594459
>>>> > >  http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php
>>>> <http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php>
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  -----Original Message-----
>>>> > >  From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
>>>> <mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net>
>>>> > >  [mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net] On Behalf Of Michel van
>>>> > >  Meersbergen
>>>> > >  Sent: 30 August 2007 11:04
>>>> > >  To: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List
>>>> > >  Subject: Re: [MM-MALTS-L] CELP & seaweed
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  Lex,
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  I'm affraid true celp wouldn't look as 'fancy' as whatever Elodea
>>> > they
>>>> > >  have 
>>>> > >  put into the bottle. Just a vegetal green and rubbery 'sheet'. Celp
>>>> > >  leaves
>>>> > >  can be quite big.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  For sure Van Wees/Ultimate outweirded Blackadder when it comes to
>>> > solid
>>>> > >  additives. :-)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  Michel
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  P.s. No offense Rob!
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  op 30-08-2007 11:52 schreef Kraaijeveld A.R. op
>>>> > >  A.R.Kraaijeveld at soton.ac.uk:
>>>> > >
>>>>> > >  > Hi Michel
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > Yes, 'waterpest' is exactly what I mean. I don't want to get into a
>>>>> > >  > botanical discussion as to whether it's Elodea densa or Elodea
>>>>> > >  > canadensis, because the two species are not always easy to tell
>>> > apart.
>>>>> > >  > What's important is that it appears that "Celp - The Seaweed
>>>> > >  Experience"
>>>>> > >  > does not contain any seaweed whatsoever.
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > slainte, Lex
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > Fly, you greatest fool
>>>>> > >  > Why can't you say what they want you to
>>>>> > >  > Why can't you do what they taught you
>>>>> > >  > And show what they wanted of you
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > Dr Alex R Kraaijeveld
>>>>> > >  > School of Biological Sciences
>>>>> > >  > University of Southampton
>>>>> > >  > Bassett Crescent East
>>>>> > >  > Southampton
>>>>> > >  > SO16 7PX
>>>>> > >  > United Kingdom
>>>>> > >  > tel: (+44)-(0)23-80593436
>>>>> > >  > fax: (+44)-(0)23-80594459
>>>>> > >  > http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > 
>>>>> > >  > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > >  > From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
>>>>> > >  > [mailto: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
>>>>> <mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net> ] On Behalf Of Michel van
>>>>> > >  > Meersbergen
>>>>> > >  > Sent: 30 August 2007 09:51
>>>>> > >  > To: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List
>>>>> > >  > Subject: Re: [MM-MALTS-L] CELP & seaweed
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > Hi Lex,
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > I had the same reservations when I saw the bottle for the first
>>> > time.
>>>>> > >  > It's
>>>>> > >  > certainly not celp inside the bottle, I have it as Elodea
>>> > canadensis
>>>>> > >  > ('waterpest' as we say in Holland).
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > AFAIK all the celp bottles have waterweed inside them.
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > Best!
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > Michel
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > op 30-08-2007 10:31 schreef Kraaijeveld A.R. op
>>>>> > >  > A.R.Kraaijeveld at soton.ac.uk:
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>>> > >  >> Hi all
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> I got a bottle of "CELP - Seaweed Experience" for a tasting I'll
>>> > be
>>>>>> > >  >> running at the university later this year. For those who have
>>> > never
>>>>>> > >  >> heard of this one, it's either a young Lagavulin or a vatting of
>>>>>> > >  >> Lagavulin and Laphroaig to which seaweed is added. So legally
it's 
>>>> > >  not
>>>>>> > >  >> whisky anymore and the label doesn't claim that it is.
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> The spirit is clearly greenish and there is a twig of a plant
>>>> > >  floating
>>>>>> > >  >> in the bottle (bottle won't be opened until the tasting). Now as
>>> > soon
>>>>> > >  > as
>>>>>> > >  >> I saw the twig, I got suspicious. To me, the plant which is
>>> > floating
>>>>> > >  > in
>>>>>> > >  >> the bottle looks remarkably like Common or Brazilian Waterweed,
>>> > which
>>>>> > >  > is
>>>>>> > >  >> a very common freshwater plant. Does not grow in the sea and is
>>> > not a
>>>>>> > >  >> seaweed by any stretch of the (botanical) imagination. I've
>>> > attached
>>>> > >  a
>>>>>> > >  >> small picture of this plant and I'm asking those of you who
>>> > have/had
>>>> > >  a
>>>>>> > >  >> bottle of CELP to tell me whether the plant inside the bottle
>>> > looks
>>>>> > >  > like
>>>>>> > >  >> the plant in the picture. Just so I know whether all CELP bottles
>>>>>> > >  >> contain waterweed rather than a seaweed or whether there ARE
>>> > indeed
>>>>> > >  > CELP
>>>>>> > >  >> bottles with (possible) seaweed.
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> 
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> slainte, Lex
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> Fly, you greatest fool
>>>>>> > >  >> Why can't you say what they want you to
>>>>>> > >  >> Why can't you do what they taught you
>>>>>> > >  >> And show what they wanted of you
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> Dr Alex R Kraaijeveld
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> School of Biological Sciences
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> University of Southampton
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> Bassett Crescent East
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> Southampton
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> SO16 7PX
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> United Kingdom
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> tel: (+44)-(0)23-80593436
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> fax: (+44)-(0)23-80594459
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php
>>>>>> > >  >> <http://www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php >
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> 
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >>
>>>>>> > >  >> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> > >  >> MM-MALTS-L mailing list
>>>>>> > >  >> MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net
>>>>>> > >  >> http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l
>>>>>> <http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l>
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > >  > MM-MALTS-L mailing list
>>>>> > >  > MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net  <mailto:MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net>
>>>>> > >  > http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > >  > MM-MALTS-L mailing list
>>>>> > >  > MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net
>>>>> > >  > http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l
>>>>> <http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l>
>>>>> > >  >
>>>>> > >  >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  _______________________________________________
>>>> > >  MM-MALTS-L mailing list
>>>> > >  MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net
>>>> > >  http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  _______________________________________________
>>>> > >  MM-MALTS-L mailing list
>>>> > >  MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net
>>>> > >  http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l
>>>> <http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l>
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  --
>>>> > >  Thomas Schubert
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  potstill.de <http://potstill.de>  | distillerylane.de
>>>> <http://distillerylane.de>  | thomasschubert.eu
>>>> > >  Fax/VM: +49 69 13304197006 | Skype:potstill
>>>> > >  E-Mail: thomas.schubert at gmail.com
>>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>>> > > MM-MALTS-L mailing list
>>>> > > MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net
>>>> > > http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l
>>>> <http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l>
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > MM-MALTS-L mailing list
>>> > MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net
>>> > http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > MM-MALTS-L mailing list
>>> > MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net  <mailto:MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net>
>>> > http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l
>>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> MM-MALTS-L mailing list
>> MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net
>> http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> MM-MALTS-L mailing list
> MM-MALTS-L at grsnet.net
> http://lists.grsnet.net/mailman/listinfo/mm-malts-l


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.grsnet.net/pipermail/mm-malts-l/attachments/20070830/20977499/attachment-0001.html

More information about the MM-MALTS-L mailing list