AW: [MM-MALTS-L] Eddu - opinions?

Wed Jan 28 10:14:05 CET 2009

Right Lex,

But there are various kinds of eau-de-vie stills and you can indeed  
fine-tune some of them, replace high parts and so on... For instance,  
the eau-de-vie still I'm using 'for fun' every year is closer to a  
Cognaçais/Scottish pot still than to a Holstein indeed (in shape, not  
in size, alas ;-)).

So maybe we could indeed say that we could draw another line between  
the people who sporadically use eau-de-vie stills for making whisky  
(stills that make fruit spirit during the rest of the year), and  
people who have dedicated/tweaked/fine-tuned eau-de-vie stills for  
making only malt whisky...
But as always, the truth lies in the glass...

Santé

Serge

Le 28 janv. 09 à 10:03, Kraaijeveld A.R. a écrit :

> I mostly agree with you, Serge. Eau-de-vie stills seem indeed  
> designed to extract the fruity elements. However, several US malt  
> whiskey distillers also use EdV stills and their products are, for  
> me, a lot better than the German/Swiss/Austrian ones. St George is  
> one of them.
>
> So it can't just be the still type ...
>
>
>
>
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> Fly, you greatest fool
> Why can't you say what they want you to
> Why can't you do what they taught you
> And show what they wanted of you
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> ... men ought to be fully assured of the truth of
> the effect before they venture to explicate the cause.
> (Webster, 1677. The Displaying of Supposed Witchcraft)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net [mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net 
> ] On Behalf Of Serge Valentin
> Sent: 28 January 2009 08:59
> To: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List
> Subject: Re: AW: [MM-MALTS-L] Eddu - opinions?
>
> Hi Bernhard,
>
> I believe what's determining here is the stills they use (and maybe
> the mash when it's made at brewers', and then the yeast).
>
> I believe distilling 'malt beer' in professional eau-de-vie stills
> (Holsteins and others) won't give malt whisky as we know it from
> Scotland, but something that's much fruitier indeed, as the stills
> usually won't let 'heavy/oily stuff' go through as regular pot stills
> would do. Not to mention stainless steel vs copper and so on. I think
> eau-de-vie stills are usually designed to extract 'the purity of the
> fruits' and not to produce a big fat 'congeneric' malt whisky.
>
> So, I'd really draw a line between the 'eau-de-vie makers who have a
> go at making whisky' and people who've got genuine pot stills such as
> Glann ar Mor in Britanny. By the way, the latter just issued their
> first official bottling! I 've only tried cask samples so far (they
> make both unpeated and peated malt) and they were very good in my
> opinion. Very 'Scottish' in style and very far from 'cereal schnapps'
> as you very appropriately said.
>
> My twocents
>
> Santé
>
> Serge
>
>
>
> Le 28 janv. 09 à 09:26, Bernhard Schäfer a écrit :
>
>> Sorry for not beeing so "tolerant",
>> We did a little tasting for a German gourmet magazine the other day;
>> about
>> 20 "Whiskies" from Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
>> I agree insofar that the disitillers know how to choose good raw
>> materials
>> and that they know how to disitll.
>> But why do they all call it whisky or whiskey...most of the things I
>> had
>> were just too young...cereal schnaps would be a better name
>> Some are fun to taste, or an interesting experiance.
>>
>> But I had nothing so far where I could imagine to sit back, relax,
>> read a
>> good book , smoke my pipe and drink a glass of it with pleasure...
>>
>> Bernhard
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net [mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
>> ] Im
>> Auftrag von Serge Valentin
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 08:34
>> An: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List
>> Betreff: Re: [MM-MALTS-L] Eddu - opinions?
>>
>> Or Alsace, Corsica, Britanny, Lorraine, Champagne...
>> Yes, all parts of France but the fact that they all stress their
>> regions
>> rather than their country says long about the state of our nation.
>> Santé
>>
>> Serge
>>
>> Le 28 janv. 09 à 08:27, Kraaijeveld A.R. a écrit :
>>
>>> Or the Netherlands ....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> Fly, you greatest fool
>>> Why can't you say what they want you to Why can't you do what they
>>> taught you And show what they wanted of you
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> Rivers of milk are running dry
>>> Can't you hear the dolphins crying?
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> Dr Alex R Kraaijeveld
>>> Lecturer in Ecology & Evolution
>>> School of Biological Sciences
>>> University of Southampton
>>> Building 62, Room 6031, Boldrewood Campus Southampton SO16 7PX
>>> Tel: +44(0)23 80593436
>>> Fax: +44(0)23 80594459
>>> Email: arkraa at soton.ac.uk
>>> Website: www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php
>>> School Website: www.southampton.ac.uk/biosci
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> ... men ought to be fully assured of the truth of the effect before
>>> they venture to explicate the cause.
>>> (Webster, 1677. The Displaying of Supposed Witchcraft)
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
>>> [mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
>>> ] On Behalf Of john marrinan
>>> Sent: 28 January 2009 00:11
>>> To: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List
>>> Subject: Re: [MM-MALTS-L] Eddu - opinions?
>>>
>>> Or Thailand, Germany, Austria, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden,
>>> Spain...
>>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Dave Neary <dneary at free.fr> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> john marrinan wrote:
>>>> I'll have to try it too. As an aside, there's a bit of uncertainty
>>>> over whether Greenspot is a pure pot still whiskey these days. It
>>>> doesn't say it on the bottle and Irish Distillers aren't saying
>>>> definitively for now.
>>> Really? Interesting. It's still good, in any case.
>>>
>>>> How many times is the Breton whiskey distilled? I'd be glad to try
>>> it
>>>> with an open mind. Personally, I don't mind where whiskey comes
>>> from,
>>>> whether it's Scotland, Canada, Ireland or China. I think, in  
>>>> theory,
>>>> anyone can make good whisk(e)y.
>>> I notice you didn't mention India, Japan, France or the USA :)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dave.
>>>
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