AW: [MM-MALTS-L] Eddu - opinions?

Wed Jan 28 10:14:53 CET 2009

Casks definitely play a role, I think. Some of the 'German' whiskies were to me so woody that I felt I had to remove the splinters from my mouth. And that's despite them being so young. They seem to use a lot of new/fresh oak and the light and fruity spirit from an EdV still simply can't stand up to that

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-----Original Message-----
From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net [mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net] On Behalf Of Bernhard Schäfer
Sent: 28 January 2009 09:11
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Subject: AW: AW: [MM-MALTS-L] Eddu - opinions?

I think as well that it is a multifactorial thing...stills, material, skill,
casks etc.....makes it even more difficult..

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I mostly agree with you, Serge. Eau-de-vie stills seem indeed designed to
extract the fruity elements. However, several US malt whiskey distillers
also use EdV stills and their products are, for me, a lot better than the
German/Swiss/Austrian ones. St George is one of them.

So it can't just be the still type ...

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Fly, you greatest fool
Why can't you say what they want you to
Why can't you do what they taught you
And show what they wanted of you

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Rivers of milk are running dry
Can't you hear the dolphins crying?

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Dr Alex R Kraaijeveld
Lecturer in Ecology & Evolution
School of Biological Sciences
University of Southampton
Building 62, Room 6031, Boldrewood Campus Southampton SO16 7PX
Tel: +44(0)23 80593436
Fax: +44(0)23 80594459
Email: arkraa at soton.ac.uk
Website: www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php
School Website: www.southampton.ac.uk/biosci

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-----Original Message-----
From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net [mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net]
On Behalf Of Serge Valentin
Sent: 28 January 2009 08:59
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Subject: Re: AW: [MM-MALTS-L] Eddu - opinions?

Hi Bernhard,

I believe what's determining here is the stills they use (and maybe the mash
when it's made at brewers', and then the yeast).

I believe distilling 'malt beer' in professional eau-de-vie stills
(Holsteins and others) won't give malt whisky as we know it from Scotland,
but something that's much fruitier indeed, as the stills usually won't let
'heavy/oily stuff' go through as regular pot stills would do. Not to mention
stainless steel vs copper and so on. I think eau-de-vie stills are usually
designed to extract 'the purity of the fruits' and not to produce a big fat
'congeneric' malt whisky.

So, I'd really draw a line between the 'eau-de-vie makers who have a go at
making whisky' and people who've got genuine pot stills such as Glann ar Mor
in Britanny. By the way, the latter just issued their first official
bottling! I 've only tried cask samples so far (they make both unpeated and
peated malt) and they were very good in my opinion. Very 'Scottish' in style
and very far from 'cereal schnapps'
as you very appropriately said.

My twocents

Santé

Serge

Le 28 janv. 09 à 09:26, Bernhard Schäfer a écrit :

> Sorry for not beeing so "tolerant",
> We did a little tasting for a German gourmet magazine the other day;
> about 20 "Whiskies" from Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
> I agree insofar that the disitillers know how to choose good raw
> materials and that they know how to disitll.
> But why do they all call it whisky or whiskey...most of the things I
> had were just too young...cereal schnaps would be a better name Some
> are fun to taste, or an interesting experiance.
>
> But I had nothing so far where I could imagine to sit back, relax,
> read a good book , smoke my pipe and drink a glass of it with
> pleasure...
>
> Bernhard
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
> [mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
> ] Im
> Auftrag von Serge Valentin
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 08:34
> An: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List
> Betreff: Re: [MM-MALTS-L] Eddu - opinions?
>
> Or Alsace, Corsica, Britanny, Lorraine, Champagne...
> Yes, all parts of France but the fact that they all stress their
> regions rather than their country says long about the state of our
> nation.
> Santé
>
> Serge
>
> Le 28 janv. 09 à 08:27, Kraaijeveld A.R. a écrit :
>
>> Or the Netherlands ....
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Fly, you greatest fool
>> Why can't you say what they want you to Why can't you do what they
>> taught you And show what they wanted of you
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Rivers of milk are running dry
>> Can't you hear the dolphins crying?
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Dr Alex R Kraaijeveld
>> Lecturer in Ecology & Evolution
>> School of Biological Sciences
>> University of Southampton
>> Building 62, Room 6031, Boldrewood Campus Southampton SO16 7PX
>> Tel: +44(0)23 80593436
>> Fax: +44(0)23 80594459
>> Email: arkraa at soton.ac.uk
>> Website: www.sbs.soton.ac.uk/staff/ark/ark.php
>> School Website: www.southampton.ac.uk/biosci
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> ... men ought to be fully assured of the truth of the effect before
>> they venture to explicate the cause.
>> (Webster, 1677. The Displaying of Supposed Witchcraft)
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> From: mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
>> [mailto:mm-malts-l-bounces at grsnet.net
>> ] On Behalf Of john marrinan
>> Sent: 28 January 2009 00:11
>> To: MaltManiacs operated former 'MALT-L' Whisky List
>> Subject: Re: [MM-MALTS-L] Eddu - opinions?
>>
>> Or Thailand, Germany, Austria, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden,
>> Spain...
>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Dave Neary <dneary at free.fr> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> john marrinan wrote:
>>> I'll have to try it too. As an aside, there's a bit of uncertainty
>>> over whether Greenspot is a pure pot still whiskey these days. It
>>> doesn't say it on the bottle and Irish Distillers aren't saying
>>> definitively for now.
>> Really? Interesting. It's still good, in any case.
>>
>>> How many times is the Breton whiskey distilled? I'd be glad to try
>> it
>>> with an open mind. Personally, I don't mind where whiskey comes
>> from,
>>> whether it's Scotland, Canada, Ireland or China. I think, in theory,
>>> anyone can make good whisk(e)y.
>> I notice you didn't mention India, Japan, France or the USA :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave.
>>
>> --
>> Dave Neary
>> dneary at free.fr
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>> Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13
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